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		<title>By: Politicalog</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalog.co.uk/?p=382&#038;cpage=1#comment-2811</link>
		<dc:creator>Politicalog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In other words, your fee already includes all the cost of PAYE, NI, Holiday entitlement, Sick Pay etc etc and itâ€™s up to you to set aside that part of your fee to cover those costs.&lt;/i&gt;

If your contract is not IR35 caught then I agree completely. If it is IR35 caught then I don&#039;t.

&lt;i&gt;it just wasnâ€™t being used correctly by you in the first place i.e. it was going into your pocket rather than paying tax, NI, holiday pay all of which had already been factored in to the â€œgrossâ€ fee.&lt;/i&gt;

That is my point precisely. Previously the extra cash flow would be set aside to cover periods where you were out of work, sickness, holiday and time between contracts.

With IR35 you have to cover that out of taxed income.

Also as I said on DK&#039;s blog, you cannot simply put fees in your pocket and avoid paying tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In other words, your fee already includes all the cost of PAYE, NI, Holiday entitlement, Sick Pay etc etc and itâ€™s up to you to set aside that part of your fee to cover those costs.</i></p>
<p>If your contract is not IR35 caught then I agree completely. If it is IR35 caught then I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p><i>it just wasnâ€™t being used correctly by you in the first place i.e. it was going into your pocket rather than paying tax, NI, holiday pay all of which had already been factored in to the â€œgrossâ€ fee.</i></p>
<p>That is my point precisely. Previously the extra cash flow would be set aside to cover periods where you were out of work, sickness, holiday and time between contracts.</p>
<p>With IR35 you have to cover that out of taxed income.</p>
<p>Also as I said on DK&#8217;s blog, you cannot simply put fees in your pocket and avoid paying tax.</p>
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		<title>By: CBQ</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalog.co.uk/?p=382&#038;cpage=1#comment-2808</link>
		<dc:creator>CBQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I&#039;ve said over on &quot;Devil&#039;s Kitchen&quot;, any company which employs a contractor is not implicitly taking part in the contractor&#039;s attempts to pay as little tax etc as possible.

1. They contract because the job is not long term enough to take on a full time member of staff

2. If they are acting in their own best interests (which the contractor is also trying to do by paying as little tax as possible)they should ensure the &quot;cost&quot; of paying the contractor for a year is no greater than one year&#039;s costs for a full time employee. 

In other words, your fee already includes all the cost of PAYE, NI, Holiday entitlement, Sick Pay etc etc and it&#039;s up to you to set aside that part of your fee to cover those costs.

If you choose to dodge these costs via a loophole which is then closed, you cannot whine on about &quot;losing&quot; part of your pay - it just wasn&#039;t being used correctly by you in the first place i.e. it was going into your pocket rather than paying tax, NI, holiday pay all of which had already been factored in to the &quot;gross&quot; fee.

Get over it or push your fee up and see if the market will still bear your costs....

I agree with everything else you say about the tragedy that is Nu Labour other than the comment that the only good thing was to make the BoE independent.  

Yes, this would have been good if it really was independent but, it is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve said over on &#8220;Devil&#8217;s Kitchen&#8221;, any company which employs a contractor is not implicitly taking part in the contractor&#8217;s attempts to pay as little tax etc as possible.</p>
<p>1. They contract because the job is not long term enough to take on a full time member of staff</p>
<p>2. If they are acting in their own best interests (which the contractor is also trying to do by paying as little tax as possible)they should ensure the &#8220;cost&#8221; of paying the contractor for a year is no greater than one year&#8217;s costs for a full time employee. </p>
<p>In other words, your fee already includes all the cost of PAYE, NI, Holiday entitlement, Sick Pay etc etc and it&#8217;s up to you to set aside that part of your fee to cover those costs.</p>
<p>If you choose to dodge these costs via a loophole which is then closed, you cannot whine on about &#8220;losing&#8221; part of your pay &#8211; it just wasn&#8217;t being used correctly by you in the first place i.e. it was going into your pocket rather than paying tax, NI, holiday pay all of which had already been factored in to the &#8220;gross&#8221; fee.</p>
<p>Get over it or push your fee up and see if the market will still bear your costs&#8230;.</p>
<p>I agree with everything else you say about the tragedy that is Nu Labour other than the comment that the only good thing was to make the BoE independent.  </p>
<p>Yes, this would have been good if it really was independent but, it is not.</p>
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		<title>By: sacerdote</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalog.co.uk/?p=382&#038;cpage=1#comment-2701</link>
		<dc:creator>sacerdote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also used to be a contractor, but I packed it in when IR35 came out and drastically downshifted in order not to pay Gordons extra taxes. It just wasn&#039;t worth it for me anymore. I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m the only one, and it sure isn&#039;t helping the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also used to be a contractor, but I packed it in when IR35 came out and drastically downshifted in order not to pay Gordons extra taxes. It just wasn&#8217;t worth it for me anymore. I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m the only one, and it sure isn&#8217;t helping the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Politicalog</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalog.co.uk/?p=382&#038;cpage=1#comment-859</link>
		<dc:creator>Politicalog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Used to be a contractor I&#039;m afraid. Gordo put paid to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Used to be a contractor I&#8217;m afraid. Gordo put paid to that.</p>
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		<title>By: xoggoth</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalog.co.uk/?p=382&#038;cpage=1#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>xoggoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey you&#039;re a contractor too! I should have known! I suppose the only thing one can say in Lying Brownstuff&#039;s favour is, erm, I&#039;ve forgotten, but I&#039;m sure I thought of something the other day! The Blithering Cameron looks more and more like a waste of space to me, he had better get a grip of his knickers because at the moment the only party in town worth voting for is looking like UKIP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey you&#8217;re a contractor too! I should have known! I suppose the only thing one can say in Lying Brownstuff&#8217;s favour is, erm, I&#8217;ve forgotten, but I&#8217;m sure I thought of something the other day! The Blithering Cameron looks more and more like a waste of space to me, he had better get a grip of his knickers because at the moment the only party in town worth voting for is looking like UKIP.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Paine</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalog.co.uk/?p=382&#038;cpage=1#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Paine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It comes to something when our hopes depend on the Leader of the Conservative Party being a liar. Quite right about the bloggers though. The only sane political words being uttered in Britain are to be found in the blogosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It comes to something when our hopes depend on the Leader of the Conservative Party being a liar. Quite right about the bloggers though. The only sane political words being uttered in Britain are to be found in the blogosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Politicalog</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalog.co.uk/?p=382&#038;cpage=1#comment-800</link>
		<dc:creator>Politicalog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frustrating, I know. That said, I haven\&#039;t written him off quite yet. I think he is in with a real chance next time around. How much of that is down to him as opposed to New Labour putting off voters remains to be seen.

I can also fully understand his current lack of well designed policy. He is wise to keep his cards close to his chest until the next election looms, lest New Labour steal the bits they like the sound of.

Whilst New Labour struggle with the concept of Blogs and proper unsanitised feedback from the Internet, Cameron would do well to embrace it warts and all. There is a good strong right wing blogging community to be find (in my view stronger than the left). Getting them involved would engage the public in a way that has never been done before. I should be blogging this... Watch this space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frustrating, I know. That said, I haven\&#8217;t written him off quite yet. I think he is in with a real chance next time around. How much of that is down to him as opposed to New Labour putting off voters remains to be seen.</p>
<p>I can also fully understand his current lack of well designed policy. He is wise to keep his cards close to his chest until the next election looms, lest New Labour steal the bits they like the sound of.</p>
<p>Whilst New Labour struggle with the concept of Blogs and proper unsanitised feedback from the Internet, Cameron would do well to embrace it warts and all. There is a good strong right wing blogging community to be find (in my view stronger than the left). Getting them involved would engage the public in a way that has never been done before. I should be blogging this&#8230; Watch this space.</p>
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		<title>By: Serf</title>
		<link>http://www.politicalog.co.uk/?p=382&#038;cpage=1#comment-798</link>
		<dc:creator>Serf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, the leader of her majesty&#039;s opposition, praises the public sector and hugs hoodies.

Sigh.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, the leader of her majesty&#8217;s opposition, praises the public sector and hugs hoodies.</p>
<p>Sigh&#8230;..</p>
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